—In 2017, I published “America must Fall”, a blogpost showing how race & statue-related events in the USA at the time were born from the “Rhodes must Fall” effort in South Africa. On 5 July 2020, in the midst of major upheaval in the United States, I was asked to relate the background to that post as a guest on Erin Ryan and Bill Cundiff’s program on WeThePeopleRadio. The full recording of the program may be heard HERE. The images referred to may be seen HERE, and are best kept ready by the listener as the show proceeds. In the interview, I drew the line through to July of this year, but also added more detail about, for example UC Berkeley and their heroes, and about some of the Rhodes Must Fall leaders.
Much of the historic background may be read in AmaBhulu.
We had some trouble getting Skype to cooperate, and had to use a rather bad telephone line. Later in the show we got it running correctly, but with a less than perfect microphone.